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  Is this new donation arrangement for real?

  by nugget in

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  just read a post on jwsurvey about the new donation arrangement.

  congregations are to pledge a monthly amount to be sent to the society to fund the building of assembly halls and kingdom halls.

  congregations who already have a loan from the society will no longer have to pay back the loan but the amount pledged should not be less than the current monthly repayments to the society.

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  "Much of this need is in parts of the world where the cost of property and building materials is high"

  Much...much..much Where have I seen this word before? where, where. Now I remember, Watchtower November 2011, public edition, page 27.

  Don't you love how the Watchtower carefully chooses words to deceive. Just like in the former context the WT wants the reader to interpret MUCH as most, when in reality is actually very little. See the statement below to defend 607 BCE (or 1914):

  “Clearly, much of the astronomical data in VAT 4956 fits the year 588 B.C.E. as the 37th year of Nebuchadnezzar II” (WT 11/11 public, pg 27)

  Because I have taken the time to research the subject in detail, I can assure you that "much" in this case means 6/36 or less than 17 % using generous criteria, or 0% using strict criteria.

  Instead of being specific, the writer uses much to imply "most" when they know darn well that it actually means "very little"

  The growth of the WT s in countries where land and materials are dirt cheap, Developed countries are losing converts.
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  Is this new donation arrangement for real?

  by nugget in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  just read a post on jwsurvey about the new donation arrangement.

  congregations are to pledge a monthly amount to be sent to the society to fund the building of assembly halls and kingdom halls.

  congregations who already have a loan from the society will no longer have to pay back the loan but the amount pledged should not be less than the current monthly repayments to the society.

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  never a jw

  It looks as if the GB (or the leaders, whoever they are) want to push people out. Less people means less real estate needed, and therefore it can be sold and turned into cash. Cash is easier to hide or disappear in the disbursements journal.
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  Oh come on!!! seriously?? This weeks wt study!

  by stuckinarut2 in

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  2. bible

  i'm sitting here at the mtg, and i can't believe the mind numbing stupidity of this weeks wt "study"...( i use the word study loosely too by the way...).

  how many dumb repeated questions can be posed to try and make a point?.

  the opening paragraph illustration re blindness is classic!

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  never a jw

  I missed the good old days of institutionalized racism, lower levels of education, segregated education, less women attending college. Go a little farther back and you get slavery, women disenfranchised, much lower life expectancy, infants dying at a much higher rates. Yes I can see how much worse we got it today: equality for homosexuals and women, better child protection, higher standards of living, higher literacy rates, even animal rights, etcetera. I missed the good old days of "leave it to Beaver" ideal life in the white middle class suburbs. I missed those days when sexual child abuse would go undetected and unreported, black people were segregated and even lynched just for being black. Today things are horrible. How dare young people question the repressive and oppressive values of older generations.
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  Anyone been watchtower conductor

  by Saltheart Foamfollower in

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  i think there is a good chance i'm going to be asked to be the watchtower conductor.

  on the one hand, i'll find it quite difficult some weeks having to go along with what is written.

  on the other hand, there'll be opportunities to ask controversial questions (within limits).

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  Am I missing something? Time and time again I read that the JW's will not wake up, but time and time again a new person reveals that he learned TTATT. Which is it? Evidently the latter is very likely factual, while the former is a supposition of the state of mind of other people. I rather interpret the actions of people than rely in my ability to read minds. I believe people are waking up at greater rates than ever before.

  Be a stealth apostate if you can handle it. Doing nothing willl not wake up anyone, while your efforts inside will give a chance to someone.
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  Jesus had to die? Really?

  by punkofnice in

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  i admit i no longer believe in god and holy books.. thinking of the made up 'universal sovereignty' thing, surely if god existed in the way the holy books describe him then he could have thought of something better than humankind suffering thousands of years and the slaughter of jesus?.

  couldn't god have said: 'well, satan is a very naughty boy but you all know how great i am so we can end it now.

  i will lovingly kill satan and his mates and that's that.

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  Jesus was not supossed to die, but since he did, Paul needed to re-write the story, even if it made no sense. 2 billion people today buy Paul's version of christianity.

  It reminds me of 1914 being the end of the world, but since it didn't happen Rutherford re-wrote the story, which became Jesus parousia. Today 7 million people buy that story. In theological terms, not much difference between JW's and other christians. They both go for non-sense as long as you can insert the word LOVE somewhere.
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  FW: WHAT A SISITER SACRIFICED TO SERVE JEHOVAH

  by moomanchu in

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  witnoid e-mails goin around.. all i can say is wtf.. japan assembly experience.

  date: tue, 22 jan 2008 15:58:51 -0500. .

  convention experience from japan!

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  Never made it to any year book-- not that the year book has high standards---, but at least it confirms that it is fiction. As someone else said, even if it true, it only proves how mentally messed up some converts are.
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  Letter to Governing Body .Recorded conversations with Elders

  by Watchtower-Free in

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  i found this on youtube...very good example of twisted reasoning by elders.. .

  recorded conversations with elders by a former pioneer....a series.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pw8amuphqis.

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  Are you a good person?

  by Xanthippe in

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  something happened this week to make me think about this again.. it feels like all bets are off and i really don't know what a good person is anymore.. when i left the jws i was so sure i knew what it meant to be a good person.. this has been revised many times since.. i tend to favour the utilitarian approach, the greatest happiness for the greatest number of people.. sometimes you have to stick your neck out and say this is not good for me no matter what others may feel they need from me.. no idea where i'm going with this maybe this is a breakthrough in my life or maybe that glass of wine was stronger than i thought!.

  any thoughts?.

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  Hell no, I am not innately good. I am only human. I am selfish, egocentric and proud. But I have been trained to be good, or rather act good since birth by society's dogmas and rules. There's few out there, however, who are born good. They are our leaders who keep us from self destruction. I believe my 14 year old son belongs to this category.
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  Classic repost from AlltimeJeff; recently completely - Free!

  by WingCommander in

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  2. friends

  i wanted to give this very public shout-out and congratulations to alltimejeff, who i have come to find out had turned in his letter of da, twice, then was read out at the meeting recently.

  for those not knowing, atf was a 2005 gilead graduate, bethelite, missionary.

  they mean the leadership.

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  Splash, Wasblind

  Read my post again. Focus on my first sentence.

  ATJ is preaching to the choir. I have read Carl Olof Jonsson's two books and half of his website, James Penton's Apocalypse Delayed, Raymond Franz' two books, Doug Mason website, JW Facts website. I have also attended JW's meetings and conventions for many years. I have read their books of Revelation (the red book), The Finished Mystery, and many other wacky books and publications. I don't disagree with ATJ, the problem is that his piece lacks supporting evidence.

  The opening piece is missing exactly what you are providing, evidence, evidence, evidence. Thank you
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  Classic repost from AlltimeJeff; recently completely - Free!

  by WingCommander in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i wanted to give this very public shout-out and congratulations to alltimejeff, who i have come to find out had turned in his letter of da, twice, then was read out at the meeting recently.

  for those not knowing, atf was a 2005 gilead graduate, bethelite, missionary.

  they mean the leadership.

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  never a jw

  I am sure I can agree with most, maybe all of what ATJ said. The problem is that it all sounds like opinion without supporting evidence. What makes Carl Olof Jonsson and Raymonfd Franz so reliable is that they offer supporting evidence for their claims. I know this is a brief discourse in an internet forum, and therefore I don't expect a book to be presented, but the specifics are missing.